The following is a transcript from an interview with Arthel Neville on Fox News with Mark Dubowitz, the executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), a Washington, D.C.-based nonpartisan policy institute. Mark Dubowitz comments on the death of Fidel Castro and its implications on US foreign policy (November 26, 2016).
Arthel Neville:
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From the Cold War to the War on Terror, the shadow of
Fidel Castro felt over US foreign policy for nearly 60 years. He frustrated
presidents of all stripes: Democrats, Republicans, conservatives, and
liberals, but relations started softening during George W. Bush's
administration and gained steam under President Obama. Here to talk about
Castro's influence on American foreign policy, past and future, is Mark
Dubowitz. He's the executive director of the Foundation for Defense of
Democracies. Good to see you.
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Mark Dubowitz:
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Thanks, Arthel.
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Arthel Neville:
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All right, let's start here. In what ways has US foreign
policy been dictated by Fidel Castro over the past 55 years? Will there be
any real changes between now and 2016, when Raul Castro steps down? 2018?
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Mark Dubowitz:
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Well, Fidel Castro has been in power for over 50 years.
He's bedeviled 10 US presidents from Eisenhower to George W. Bush, and in
fact, he even snubbed Barack Obama when Obama restored diplomatic relations
with Cuba and visited the island. He's been a thorn in the side of these
presidents. He's ruled over Cuba, 90 miles from Florida. He's responsible for
almost bringing the US and the Soviet Union to nuclear war in the early 1960s
and he has inspired and supported revolutionary movements and terrorist
organizations the world over, all united with one central organizing
principle, and that is anti-Americanism.
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Arthel Neville:
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Yeah. As you mentioned, President Obama normalized US
relations with Cuba last July, 2015. A year and some change later, critics
say that has proven to be more symbolic. So, Mark, I ask you, do you think
that once he gets in office, President Trump, can he bring about system
changes that would better benefit the people of Cuba, and how might he do it?
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Mark Dubowitz:
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I think he could. The deal that Obama struck with Raul Castro
unfortunately was a deal where most of the concessions were given to the
Castro regime; very little concessions provided to the United States, and
more importantly, the long-suffering Cuban dissidents who've been languishing
in the prisons of Castro.
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Trump could come into office and he could keep the
embargo lifted, or he could restore the embargo, or alternatively, he could
use targeted sanctions, including human rights sanctions, to go after the
Cuban military and the Cuban dictatorship that continues its oppressive ways.
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Arthel Neville:
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Right. Well, you would wonder if other presidents hadn't
tried the same thing, but let's talk about the business part of this. How
would those systemic changes in Cuba between the US in terms of the economy,
but also not just that, Mark, the impression of this country as it is held by
other leaders, how would that reflect?
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Mark Dubowitz:
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The problem with the deal that we struck with the Castro
regime is that the Castro regime and the Cuban military are going to be the
prime beneficiaries of any economic opening with the United States and with
the rest of the world. You could restructure that kind of arrangement so that
the economic benefits actually go to the Cuban people and you could combine
that with tough financial and human rights sanctions against those who
continue to oppress the Cuban people.
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I think that would be a fundamental shift in the Obama
strategy and I think it would also be a signal to the rest of the world that
we can't just believe because Castro is gone that Raul Castro and the Cuban
military are going to usher in fundamental changes in the Cuban political
structure and their relationship with the world. It is still a regime that
continues to support terrorist organizations and revolutionary movements the
world over.
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Arthel Neville:
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With that in mind, after Raul Castro steps down in 2018,
can you foresee a democratic election to choose the president of Cuba?
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Mark Dubowitz:
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Well, I can't foresee it unless the United States and
our allies does something to actually advance that. The problem is the Cuban
regime is as dictatorial as it was under Fidel and the Cuban military
continues to be as oppressive as it had ever been. It also continues to
support revolutionary movements and dictatorial regimes all through Latin
America, and so I think unless the United States under President-elect Trump,
and then President Trump, actually begins to speak forcefully for civil
liberties, for gay rights, for freedom in Cuba, my fear is that the lifting
of the embargo is just going to fortify the regime under Castro, under Raul
Castro, and his successors.
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Arthel Neville:
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But Donald Trump on the campaign trail did say that he
wants to have religious freedoms for the people of Cuba, so he does seem to
have a pretty strong stance on that, and, of course, he has so many of the
expats living in Miami in President-elect Trump's ear as well.
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Mark Dubowitz:
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That's exactly right. To reinforce the importance of
religious freedom, of sexual freedom, of human rights, and also the Cuban Americans
who were forced out of that country. Their property was taken away; billions
of dollars expropriated. Again, none of that was addressed in the deal that
was struck between President Obama and Raul Castro. That's a deeply flawed
deal that will need to be rectified, need to be renegotiated under President
Trump.
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Arthel Neville:
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Do you think Trump can rectify that? Do you think he can
do it?
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Mark Dubowitz:
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I think President Trump has said that he's a deal maker.
He's going to re-examine a number of different agreements and treaties the
United States has entered into and he's going to negotiate them on better
terms, and I think this would be a good place to start.
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Arthel Neville:
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Okay. Mark Dubowitz. Thank you very much, Mark.
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Mark Dubowitz:
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Thanks, Arthel.
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